PivotTALK Interviews:
October 5, 2007
Host: Nick Missios
Guests: Matt Mason, Todd Tucker, Chris Roberts, Anthony Favalora, Evan May
Title: “TheoForum: Toward growth in the knowledge of God”
Description: TheoForum “classmates” talk about what TF is, what they’ve gotten out of it, and why young men need to get rooted in sound doctrine.
Listen in.
The PivotTALK – TheoForum
Kauflin on reading books
Speaking of reading (if you were at The Pivot last Sunday night, you’re tracking with me), Bob Kauflin posted this week on his practice of reading – the why, the when, and the what.
In the spirit of this revival of reading, there were groups of men and women huddled in two living rooms, respectively, this morning at 6:30am. The men are reading – we’re almost done – Goldsworthy’s According to Plan. And the ladies are reading Elisabeth Elliot’s God’s Guidance: Finding His Will For Your Life. If you’re interested in joining either one of those groups, call the church office and we’ll give you low down (504.488.1924).
Pivot update
We have a few announcements for this weekend.
Pivot this Sunday night
Don’t forget this Sunday night at 7pm is our Pivot meeting. We’ll be continuing in our Solomon’s Table: Wisdom for Everyday Life series and will have a guest speaker with us. As usual, you’re invited to pre-meeting prayer at 6:15pm and are invited to stay after Pivot for free, all you can eat pizza and drinks. Come and bring a friend along with you.
Pivot Care Team this Saturday
We’ll be going out in our bright green shirts to do Care Team work after our Saturday service this weekend. Bring a change of clothes to church, if you attend that service, grab a quick bite for lunch and meet us at the old church building location (Vets and Fleur De Lis) for 2pm. We’ll do some community work for a few hours together and will serve alongside some new friends from Covenant Life.
Doing all this with some singles from Covenant Life
In fact, some singles from Covenant Life will be joining us for one of the weekend services, for our Care Team work, AND for the Pivot meeting on Sunday night, so make sure you welcome them. We’re so grateful for their coming to serve and extend the kindness of God into our community in tangible ways.
TheoForum tomorrow morning
Guys, remember that tomorrow morning at 6am is our TheoForum meeting. We’re studying through Goldsworthy’s According to Plan. We’ll be talking through the first section together (chapters 1-7) and the homework is to keep reading through the end of chapter 10. So, if you’re out of town, make sure you keep up with the reading and you’ll stay on track. Come ready to ask questions and think through our exploration of biblical theology with our newfound friend from the Outback – Graeme Goldsworthy.
Hope to see you all this weekend!
TheoForum II: The Final Exam
The test went very well. The pictures capture something of the past two meetings.
In case you’re wondering about the push ups – it was an unexpected bonus point opportunity. Each team chose a delegate and sent him to the floor to do battle. The highest number of push-ups earned his team 10 points, second place brought home 5, and the low man left only with a juiced up heart rate, aching arms, and a few smart remarks from shameless spectators who knew full well they couldn’t have done more than 7 or 8. The low man was Kurt Roberts, at a worthy 39. Nic Francis cried uncle at 50. While Bryan McCarty strained out 5 more, grunting out 55. Bryan, wherever he is, is in pain right now. Pray for him.
Will post more later.
TheoForum Test (more pics)
More pictures from last week’s TheoForum pop test…
If you missed TheoForum II, stay tuned for the announcement of TheoForum III and the new book. We’re almost finished Grudem’s Systematic Theology, section 1. The plan is to come back to the other sections intermittently with other books. Stay on the blog for the invitation to our next TF launch party.
TheoForum II: Test Results!
The men who endured the fiery test: Erik Schmaltz, Jesse Varnado, Brian McCarty, Chris Roberts, Steve Roberts, Todd Tucker, Nic Francis, Dave Widener, Daniel Ford, David Ford, Evan May, Nick Missios, Kurt Roberts, Aaron Simms.
Well, almost right on schedule – at 6:33am – we dropped the books and I announced our test. Nick Missios immediately said, “I’ve got Evan.” We broke up into 3 groups of 5 and the questions began. The first one was for each group to count 3 points for each man who has kept up to date on the reading (Intro through Chapter 7 as of this morning). A few moans. Next question was for the group to discuss and then choose a group ‘champion’ to go to bat for their definition of “biblical theology”. They got extra points if they could contrast it with ‘historical’ and ‘systematic’ theology. They feverishly discussed for about 4 or 5 minutes refining the answer, writing down key terms and phrases and choosing their ‘champion’ for that question. The champion would have to, at times, spontaneously defend or tighten focus on his answer depending on how much I wanted to badger him. Two groups nailed it. One survived but moved on with a limp. We moved from there to the subject of Canon.
They had to fill in the blank for a quote from Grudem’s chapter. It went like this. “The ________ formed the beginning of the biblical canon.” The answer being Ten Commandments. Two groups missed this.
The next question was about the Apocrypha, asking at what point it was that the Roman Catholic church deemed these books to be part of the Canon. This was multiple choice and the answer was The Council of Trent, 1546. 2 out of 3 got it.
Then, another multiple choice: “Martin Luther was hesitant to accept this book into the Canon.” Everyone got this right, answering James. However, they would get extra credit if they could tell me what made Luther hesitate. They all got the extra points, explaining how Martin Luther was worried about the idea of “justification by works” and how he couldn’t square that with “faith alone.” One team used the Latin phrase (sola fide) in their answer which meant, of course, extra points. To that, Nick Missios predictably used his entire Spanish vocabulary (including numbers, “uno, dos…”) to give his answer. His team did end up getting extra points since they gave Scripture references to correspond to the answer.
From there, we moved into the Authority of Scripture. I asked the groups to give me a working definition of the authority of Scripture. Dave Widener brought game, almost reciting Grudem’s exact words and winning his team maximum points on the question. All the teams did very well on this one.
Next, we asked for a more literal translation of 2 Timothy 3:16 where other translations say that all Scripture is “inspired“. They all got it. The term God-breathed is the most literal and best expression of the broader idea behind the term inspiration. One group even gave the biblical Greek word for God-breathed and, of course, got extra points. Another group tried. It was a near miss. They remembered only the second half of the term. They all got this one right.
Finally, I asked for a ‘champion’ from each group to talk about the term ‘dictation’ and how it relates to the concept of inspiration. And followed up with the question about whether it is appropriate to speak of the ‘dual authorship’ of Scripture. The wording of the question was not all that great, so part of the reason for one group’s stumbling here was my fault. The other two groups were spot on, as the Englishmen like to say.
I think the men were encouraged that our study so far has enabled them to engage in intelligent and informed conversation about some important and in-depth issues related to Systematic Theology, Canon, and the Authority of Scripture.
We’ll have one more test. They know this so they’ll be more prepared. Of course this means I’ll make the next one more difficult. Once again, any Latin and Greek (Spanish won’t count, guys) will simply make things better. One more note: it was really cool to see the guys working through these questions together, refining answers, thinking out loud. At the outset, I banned the establishing of a group-Bible-answer-man, asking them to be quiet if they knew the answer immediately, and make their team “work” for it. As I walked around and listened and snapped a couple of pics, it was tremendously exciting to see our men diving into the deeps with 3 inch textbooks (closed, by the way) on their laps. I’ll post more pics from the morning in the future. Here’s one peek for now, and then on to final scores.
Final scores were as follows:
Team Tucker (Todd, Nic, Dave, Daniel, David) = 79 C+
Team Varnado (Jesse, Erik, Brian, Chris, Steve) = 81 B-
Team Missios/May (Nick, Evan, Kurt, Aaron) = 109 A+
Great work fellas. Study hard. The bar goes higher still.
TheoForum II: Pop Quiz!
If you’re up early this morning, pray for our TheoForum II class members. At around 6:30, we’ll be dropping the books and taking a pop quiz to see how much their holding onto as we study the Doctrine of Scripture section of Grudem’s Systematic Theology.
They’ll be in groups so that should help, but all but about half of the questions are essay/oral answers. Should be pretty fun. I actually suspect they’ll do well. Stay tuned for test scores.
McLaren at Princeton
Brian McLaren is one of the most influential voices on the current scene of religious thought. He is a sharp thinker. His tone is irenic and broad and inviting. His writing and his lectures are being heard on a range of topics such as postmodernism, ecumenism, philosophy, social justice, politics, liturgy, and theology.
Recently some of the Pivot men, in TheoForum I, read through R. Scott Smith’s Truth and the New Kind of Christian. Smith’s book picks up on the title and responds to McLaren’s A New Kind of Christian. It interacts with McLaren’s ideas, empathizing with some of his feelings while expressing deep concerns about the future of a Church that buys into postmodern philosophy.
This lecture, delivered at Princeton, is vintage McLaren. He is “asking questions”. He is suggesting “possibilities” and “there could be some very exciting things” on the horizon if the Church would be willing to think outside the box.
Most of you have probably already heard McLaren’s thoughts in one place or another. They are being popularized by other authors – in many cases hipper ones, younger ones. But this is where the conversation is going and so we need to be conversant, discerning, forthright, humble, and courageous. This is going to be a significant area for our generation’s ‘fight of faith’.
I find several “suggestions” in this lecture to be disturbing. More concerning still, R. Scott Smith wonders, would the Church be able to survive the pill of postmodernism? By the end of his book, he answers no. If he’s right then some of the questions McLaren wants us to “think about” together may end up shipwrecking the faith of some.
Listen (see ‘better copy’ near top) and pray for Brian McLaren.
Primer on Postmodernism
Postmodernism. I’m finding myself using the word with increasing and sometimes annoying frequency, but the fact of the matter is the more I read and listen and learn the more I realize that this ‘postmodern’ lingo keeps coming up precisely because the tide of postmodernity seems to be steadily rising and that fact is affecting many realities in the world.
Our TheoForum I class studied some aspects of postmodernity in depth and I think the study was very fruitful. I hope that the end result was that we are more understanding and discerning of our times – that is, both of the challenges and opportunities for Christian witness in postmodern times.
In any case, if you’re unfamiliar with postmodernism and what all the hoopla is about, let me introduce you to D.A. Carson. He is without a doubt one of the foremost American New Testament scholars alive today and has written on the topic. He also has recently been a featured speaker at the 2006 Desiring God Conference, entitled Above All Earthly Powr’s. In it, he was given an assignment to address the audience on “The Supremacy of Christ and Love in a Postmodern World”. At somewhere around an hour and 40 minutes (if I remember correctly), it was not a message for the faint of heart, but contained a wealth of biblical insight and fought earnestly to recover critical truths that are being threatened by an uncritical acceptance of postmodern thinking.
What Dr. Carson gives us here is a sort of primer on postmodernism – discussing some strengths as well as concerns that attach to the movement as it is progressing to date.









